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Is my board about to break and will it break my neck?

 
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RiffRaff



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:48 am    Post subject: Is my board about to break and will it break my neck?  Reply with quote

I bought a new Earthwing Carbon Belly Carver via Sickboards 6 months ago (on sale), and I love it. Now I discovered cracks in the deck's front wheel wells. This seems to be a weak spot in the design, where the board is the narrowest, just behind the front truck:



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As you can see the carbon fiber layer is lifted, and so is the wood beneath.  Am I rightfully worried about breaking the board? I broke an aircraft kingpin earlier this year, and I don't want to repeat that experience...
Here it says that the board's flex "may just be ideal for riders under 215 lbs or so":
https://www.muirskate.com/longboa...edition-longboard-custom-complete

I'm 205 lbs but I pump this thing quite hard. I will contact Sickboards but also wanted to know what other people here think. Have you ever broken a board pumping? Is the carbon fiber layer going to save me when the rest breaks? Any recommended fixes aside from returning it? Would it help to bring the front truck back a bit?
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al3x



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, this doesn't look good to me either. Until somebody who actually knows this stuff posts an answer, my first instinct would be to find/cut a piece of wood or something as tall and wide as the riser but long enough to fix it beyond the weak spot. Ugly, I know; just a suggestion. Then again, I should advise you not to take advice from me Razz Good luck!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think you'll hear very annoying squeaking if it keeps delaminating long before you're in danger of something breaking,
also your truck screws holds the deck together, so the carbon fiber layer would have to rip apart for the deck to break...


that being said it's not a good symptom and the board could have a factory defect, so it would probably better to send it back, you could inject some resin in the holes but it'll only be a temporary fix,
the only definive one i can think of would involve tightening the deck's layers between a stong sandwich made of metal plates or something .... to keep it pressed together, kind of like a plaster cast over a broken leg :p
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SurfSkater1



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't look great, but I'm not sure its dangerous at all.

I think it can be repaired with the correct exopy or glue.
Not sure which one.  On all wood deck I would use a wood glue, would probably work on your deck too.

Good luck, let us know if you make any repairs or if it gets worse at all.
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RiffRaff



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Answer from Sickboards just came in:

We received an answer from Earthwing. They think it's normal wear and tear. When you're pumping a lot the wheel wells get quite a lot of stress, thatīs why it shows some cracks. You should be able to repair- fill the cracks with some epoxy and it should be ready to skate again. Unfortunately this doesn't look like a warranty to us.

Normal wear? Seriously?
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scolfaro



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, that is far from normal wear, never buy Earthwing again and don't advise it as a pumping alternative.

If the lamination process was good, cracks in the core wouldn't mean delamination (I'm assisting Bossa's development for some years already, and have seen, used and tested lots of boards, plus riding right now 6.000+kms per year). Sometimes you get to see small cracks through the coating, but they never split open or anything happens to them because they are full of epoxy resin. Wood cores usually have some form of cracks in them, but wood impregnated with resin has cracks filled with resin. A laminated board with cracks "filled" with air (which is clear by your pics) means a very poorly impregnated/laminated board, which normally delaminates.

So there's that, you can see the epoxy doesn't permeate the deeper layers of the core, that's a sign of lower quality/care in the process. Then you can see layers splitting and delamination, another sign of lowered quality.

My current prototype (that became the official Bossa gBomb platform) is reaching the 6.000km mark, no signs of the kinds of wear you're reporting on yours, so they can shove the "normal wear" claim up their buttholes.

Lastly, I've had an Illuminati crack on me a couple years back. It does squeak all the way to the end (I couldn't even tell what was squeaking for the couple months it did), will get increasingly flexy, and won't break to the point of dropping you, it will just start sucking the energy out of your pumps. So there's no danger in riding it, except that if it's a newish board they would be obliged to replace it (doesn't seem to be the case with Earthwing, mass produced garbage with no care for neither customer satisfaction nor quality control until proven otherwise).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin, I always forget RiffRaff is you Very Happy
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WeeChumlee



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi RiffRaff

While I do not think there is any immediate danger I do agree it is not great after only 6 months. The reply form Earthwing is a bit strange, why should pumping put excess stress on the wheel wells - unless you are constantly getting wheelbite which is obviously not the case here. General stress yes sure.
Personally I would cover those cracks with an epoxy coating to prevent ingress of moisture/dirt that can aggravate the cracking.
Really hope all goes well and the board serves you well for the foreseeable future.
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scolfaro



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, it will be impossible to impregnate it again with Epoxy at home, from the looks of it. This isn't repairable (whoever told that to you is an asshole), unless you're knowledgeable (and have the physical resources to) enough to laminate your own boards, which would mean you wouldn't buy a crappy Earthwing in the first place. Send emails directly to Earthwing, even direct them to this thread. All this shows is unethical behavior on their part and their customer service.

Once that falls through (because apparently they won't listen to you), look me up and I'll get you in touch with Nikolay and hook you up with a Bossa that will last you many years.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you say an impregnation would now be impossible (with DIY). I personally would though still cover the cracks with epoxy to prevent moisture/dirt making the cracks even worse. (As they obviously have no intention of replacing the board as they should)
Must say, not impressed with Earthwing here. I have the Superglider Carbon from them and am very happy with it. Responses like this though would make me think my next board will definitely not be an Earthwing.

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