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SoloRider
Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Location: Seattle, WA
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 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like your machinist finally got his way and ran the program to completion. 
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cappa
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Nice trucks!
What's the height of the Vite compared to the rear Virage?
Will you be adding the nut channel to the Virage baseplates? |
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stridey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | What's the height of the Vite compared to the rear Virage?
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Baseplate height is being finalised in testing, but its designed to be a 'stand alone truck, either hanger or baseplate, and as the Virage LDP is a low running combo the Virage Vite isnt necessarily designed to match the LDP either visually or technically.
| Quote: | | Will you be adding the nut channel to the Virage baseplates? |
No plans to do that, the reason for the increased thickness of the Vites baseplate is to allow a different production method in a new machine. The truck is milled by being held by that flange (?) so by bieng thicker than a Virage it doesnt wobble in the machine. Adding the 'English' channels is just an idea to use that thickness in a clever way. Adding channels to the LDPs would mean we would have to thicken that area, or weaken it.
I had a few request for close ups of the hanger, remember its not the final final final version...but close.
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JeffVyain
Joined: 20 Aug 2009
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Location: Indianapolis, IN
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| wow, that is beautiful. and cheaper than the virage eh? you're making me salivate |
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cappa
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| stridey wrote: | | Quote: | What's the height of the Vite compared to the rear Virage?
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Baseplate height is being finalised in testing, but its designed to be a 'stand alone truck, either hanger or baseplate, and as the Virage LDP is a low running combo the Virage Vite isnt necessarily designed to match the LDP either visually or technically.
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, I know it's a standalone truck - I was just wondering what the height difference was compared to the Virage rear, as I plan to pair the Vite up with my Virage.
Looking forward to hearing more about the Vite. |
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stridey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Final specs havent been sorted, I will be sending a set Stateside for feedback as to optimal LDP settings. We found that comparing directly with Bennett angles was a mistake, even though its compatible. Also running through imaginary cones was different to actually running cones, so getting an LDP 'er to test in real world conditions is the only way to go.
So I am envisaging possibly different baseplate angles for slalom and LDP uses.
This was written by Sam Gordon, after testing the Vite last weekend in London:
| Quote: | Michael and I have been testing the Vite on the flat in Hyde Park today. It's turning action is buttery smooth with quick turn initiation when run flat to the deck (zero riser angle). Despite my initial concerns that the front end might be too twitchy, the board whistled through 5 1/2 ft straight with ease and with a progressive, yet snappy feel. Lovely!
At the current angle, little riser is needed. The wheel travel path is fast turning, but moves in a comparatively horizontal plane, so that vertical travel in the turning action is not so great. No need of huge amounts of riser, then.
We then tested the truck dewedged to see how it would operate. First 5 degrees of steering was taken out, then 8 degrees.
Both angles felt smooth and progressive when freeriding, the 8 degree lending itself towards a hybrid course turn. Whilst the freeriding option shoud not be dismissed, the Vite is designed to be a fast turning truck first and foremost. With the exaggeratedly reduced turn angle (-8*) the progressive turn feel was improved a little, however this marginal benefit was outweighed y a greater comparative reduction in tun initiation. Vertical wheel travel at this angle as also greatly increased so demanding a higher flat riser to prevent wheelbite.
The 5 degree reverse wedge helped to return much of the snap that had been reduced by the -8 riser. Progression in turn rate seemed similar. Excellent for freeride, however when run through cones the turn initiation was not quite as rapid as preferred.
We then returned to running the truck flat again. Turn initiation was great, as was the progressive feel, however the shoulders of the bushing seat served to work as turn limiters, so preventing the fullest arc of turn to be tested. Whilst this made the truck operate very well on the tight straight course, final turn point and tipping/pitching point could not be determined. In other words, how would the truck behave at the steepest part of its turn?
All of this will be addressed through new machining in prototype version 2. Given that many of today's slalom decks have a sight upturn at the nose (Pavl Pirnack for example), a couple of steering degrees are incidentally added to the baseplate, so steepening the angle. Version 2 will therefore be reduced in angle by 3 degrees as both security measure (to prevent the possibility of pitching on step nosed decks) and to maintain turn initiation snap with progressive action. 3mm with be added to the truck height in order to accommodate the increased vertical wheel travel.
In such a way, the new version can be easily tuned using a 3 degree angled riser either to give the truck a super whippy turn initiation, or to make it the perfect choice for tight hybrid courses.
However you run the Virage Vite, you are really going to enjoy the precision feel of the smooth turning action offered up by its supertight tolerances and free-flowing bearing. Yum!!!
Sam |
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stridey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:05 am Post subject: |
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picking these up later. Will hopefully be sending a set over within the week to Seattle for testing and feedback on angles/widths for LDP.
This is the tight slalom version. For the Virage LDPs james tested and tweaked the Slalom versions and I hope he can do the same with these to tell us some good LDP info.
We know the dimensions work for tight slalom, these new versions are really just improvements on style.
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