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Ian the Groove Worshipper
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 79 Location: Largo, FL
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Glad you liked the setup, JP! I was thinking afterwards that really only a few things would need to be changed if it were to be a "money is no object" setup.
I think all that I would change is to add the following items:
Khiro wedge kit (I would still get the angled risers, they are nice to have)
Khiro bushing kit
Biltin bearings (takes place of spacers and bearings)
Add 100 bucks for a Mermaid (or any other boutique LDP deck if you are can wait)
Other optionals:
Dremel $100 to cut kingpins and truck mounting bolts, smooth out truck hangers, and other fun projects
Cordless drill with 3/8 deep well socket - the best way to change trucks
I could go on and on
You are right that I did not add the cost of shipping! I wanted to, to make it truly a legit price, but that was too much work. One thing that surprised me is how hard it was to put together a cheap setup. I know that Stoked is working on selling the Mermaid as a complete. I can't see how they'll be able to pull it off for much less than almost 4 bills. I worry that may be a turn off to getting more people into this movement. That said, we are a spoiled bunch - just check out how much all other hobbies cost! It's only a matter of time, I'm telling you - these are the glory days we'll tell our grandchildren about when we are crusty old men, back when candy bars cost a nickel and you could put together a top of the line LDP for 3 and change! I paid 1400 for a fixed gear bike not too long ago, and that is very cheap for a track bike. As far as I'm concerned, I'll never ride it again now that I've found this superior zen-like form of locomotion, and will be listed on Ebay soon, to support my LDP habit.
Regarding the ride height, I have yet to find a way to run low ride height (such as angled riser only without any flat added) without wheelbite. It's gotten to the point where I'm scared to accelerate hard from low speed, or climb hills from being bitten too many times. Getting pitched sucks, fortunately I've always managed to roll right out of it with no more than abrasions. The other night when I was drifting off to sleep, I did one of those twlight flinches/jumps replete with a shout of alarm that frightened my wife...I realized afterward I was dreaming of a frontside bite and the frantic response to get my foot out from under me! At this point I err high with riser, and would tell any newcomer that if they can't handle the ride height, get out the kitchen! Or go get some Randals, maybe they'll work for you and they seem to ride lower without biting.
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flogginmonty
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 11
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
I have been looking for a LDP that sits lower so it can also be used as an efficient pusher. I have narrowed my choices down to the Subsonic Century 38 or the Gbomb Cambiar. I read a few posts about the Gbomb, but then all the information kind of dried up. Please help me make my decision. I am 39 years old, about 5'9" tall, and weigh about 165-175 depending on how many adult beverages i drink.
Thanks for any input |
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LDPanda

Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 418 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Although i havent spent a whole lot of time on either, i definitely found the Century easier to pump than the Cambiar. I think the cambiar offers great versatility in that it can be used for flatland one minute and garage bombing the next but for pure distance i would prefer the Century. The century cups the front foot well for pumping and is still plenty low for pushing. I think i tried the lower of the two drops on the century and personally would have prefered less drop but it probably depends how much time you expect to be pushing versus pumping. |
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flogginmonty
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 11
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: |
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That's the info I was looking for.
Thanks
One more item, I skated for about 20 years (street, ramp, pool) and pushed everywhere. Is it possible to push the Roe Mermaid when needed and pump when needed? I never saw a drop deck until I started researching LDP. I am wanting to replace running with long distance skating so I will need the ability to push and pump. The Mermaid seems to be most everyones top choice for pumping and the Rollsrolls for pushing. But, i can't buy both. Plus, I don't want both. I want one do it all skateboard. |
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wafflesole

Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 82
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| I cant vouch for the pumping side of things. But for pushing the Rollsrolls isn't the best choice. |
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pavedwave
Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 1120 Location: seattle wa usa
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| flogginmonty wrote: | | I want one do it all skateboard. |
I still prefer a topmount all-around. The only exception being if the surface conditions are truly horrible, like fresh chipsealed asphalt and potholes 80% of the time. Even then, I might still opt for a flexy topmount with soft 75mm wheels over a drop or drop-through.
In my experience, conditioning is the far more important factor, and I think the bias for pushing on a drop-deck is based more on popularity and marketing, than it is on the evidence of dropped-deck skateboards being far more efficient.
I know that Adam Colton pushed a drop-through Dervish across the country, Jack Smith and crew pushed Across America on dropped RollsRolls, Rob Thomson pushed all around the world on RR and LBL drops, and the New Zealand crew did their big push on drop decks as well.
But I'm still not convinced. I've pushed and pumped my topmounted decks 100+ mile days for two days straight, for several years now, on 40+ year-old muscle and bones, with plenty of vertical gain particularly on the RSVP ride. And commuted 13-miles the following days to work, feeling fine.
Any minutes you are able to spend efficiently pumping with both legs lightly planted on the board, are practically like "rest time" compared to when you're pushing and stabilizing yourself on a leading leg. For this reason alone, I'm confident I could pull off a far longer X-country skate if I had the weeks and months work-free -- and I would choose a topmount LDP for sure.
The age of "ridiculously high" topmount LDP setups is in the past. With a Bennett + other rear combo my setups are roughly 4.5" off the ground at the highest point, not factoring in any flex when standing on the deck. With the Virages, it brings the static height down to the 4"--4.25" range. In comparison, my dropped decks are in the 2.75"--3.75" range, and dropped decks tend not to flex any lower.
The (original) RollsRolls is a different beast altogether because it was a very stiff, carbon and kevlar experiment that can rattle your teeth and organs loose. Now they've adopted wood versions, so they're in the same market as the rest of the dropped deck world. Subsonic, LongboardLarry, etc.
In the end, comfort is the key. Ride what feels comfortable under YOUR feet. Topmounts are for me because I like the power of the pump, and the traction and confidence it gives me at higher speeds. I predict eventually you might have one of each, even if it takes a few years  |
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flogginmonty
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 11
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for all the info guys. I got permission from the wife and just ordered the Roe Mermaid complete package from Stokedskateboards. I am thinking that for my first board this was a good decision because i don't know a lot about the different trucks, wheels, and etc. that are available for LDP/ LDPushing. When I skated I just used Independent trucks, abec 3 bearings, and street or ramp wheels. The complete package takes all the guess work out of it for me. I am sure I won't be dissapointed |
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aschmidt
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 56 Location: Bakersfield CA
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| You won't be...and I can vouch for both of them... |
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Ian the Groove Worshipper
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 79 Location: Largo, FL
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| It's actually a sweet deal, too, especially when you factor in the wedging kit and bushing kit. I think you get a pretty good discount over what you'd pay if you bought the parts from them individually. Just a few months ago if you wanted a Mermaid you had to wait for months, and buy all the individual parts one by one, now you can have the whole enchilada shipped to your house within a week at a much lower price, complete with all the bushings and wedges you need to get your setup dialed. LDP is blowing up! And this is only the beginning. |
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flogginmonty
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Got the new Mermaid complete in today. Went out and skated 13 miles. I was able to pump at least 1.5 miles at a time. It got my heart rate up pretty high due to effort. Ran out of speed if i hit any type of incline. I used all stock bushings and stock wedging (15/5). Gonna switch out bushings tonight. Also gonna play with angled riser combos. when i get longer hardware. Overall, i was super stoked about how my first day went. Can't wait until tomorrow.
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