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Options to bennett for front trucks?(Virage, Randal, Core..)
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egret



Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virages have definately piqued my interest from the standpoing of clearance alone and if the board can be lower too that's icing.  I seem to get slammed on the ground at random and it hurts even with helmet and wristguards.  325 for a little peace of mind doesn't seem so bad and seems fair for the work involved.   At the same time it's the exchange rate I'm afraid about.  

And the wait, ha ha.


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wafflesole



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike sent me this...

http://octanesport.co.uk/VirageLDP.html

look good huh?
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LDPanda



Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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Location: Seattle, WA

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very cool. Im wondering a few things:

Why more angle on the rear truck? becuase we're not mounting on the tail i presume?

Why more height on the rear truck? I know James is running them both with a small shockpad and it seems to be working out well.

Will the three inch kp allow for a barell bottom, barell and cone top? is that the intended setup?

Anyway, its awesome to see a truck designer embracing the LDP community like this, great work Stridey.
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pavedwave



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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Location: seattle wa usa

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rear height is definitely going to be a plus, I think this came from the testing findings so far.  You might not have noticed, but I've actually been setting up with a small flat riser in the back to make it level with the front, which is running no riser other than a rubber shock pad.  

And yes the longer pin also comes from the desire to get more "meat" on the skewer  Smile

Btw, with the latest setup, I'm finding the "carve" size orange Venom to fit quite nicely in the bottom without need for washers, will see how she rides today!

Seriously stoked to see the page!
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stridey



Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Very cool. Im wondering a few things:


thanks!

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Why more angle on the rear truck? becuase we're not mounting on the tail i presume?


Exactly right. On the slalom models we tested here we found mounting under tail was best with flat riser or minimal wedging. My concern with wider hangers is even greater leverage, and a shallower angle would suit many riders, and with light wedging would suit riders who prefer and are capable of utilising very flat running rear trucks, without alienating riders coming from a perhaps more turny upgrade path.

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Why more height on the rear truck? I know James is running them both with a small shockpad and it seems to be working out well.


Again with wider hangers coupled with  with a more angled kingpin there is more leverage, and thus more lean. You can order the rear truck with the Slalom baseplate (I'll add that option and explanation on the website tomorrow) and I also think some slalomers will order the LDP baseplate...

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Will the three inch kp allow for a barell bottom, barell and cone top? is that the intended setup?


Thats the idea.  I did ponder/hesitate/mull over using the 55 degree baseplate on the front, but with the 60 it helps keep the kingpin front from the road a bit more, so we can use longer kingpins. This would increase the length by 1/2" , sufficient for a greater choice of bushings. We may add another 1/4" there, Or offer it as an option.

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Anyway, its awesome to see a truck designer embracing the LDP community like this, great work Stridey.


Mmm. Less of the embracing please, what with MY reputation.....!
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randelpink03



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These sound great stridey!  I cant believe you already made this happen...

Cant wait to read a full review on the trucks after someone thrashes them.
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pavedwave



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

195 miles and climbing.    Eventually I'll start up a "review" thread.

I did run into some old familiar clicking sounds coming from the front truck in the last couple days.  I'm not exactly sure where this emanates from but my initial theory is it's the inside "lip" of the bottom bushing snapping off the edge of the spherical bearing -- probably nothing to be concerned with.   The last couple days I've also had the pleasure of pumping these through the rain, so I wonder if the moisture exacerbates that.   It's something I remember running into with the splitfire pros but not the splitfires that didn't have the spherical.
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stridey



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The spherical bearing is supplied to us with a teflon liner, that actually makes them very stiff. We leave that in when machining the scallop in the ring,as it helps keep the inner away from the machining,  but remove the teflon ring by soaking in paint stripper...washing in white spirit, and scraping the threads/teflon out with a scalpel..then soaking in white spirit, drying then spraying with light oil.

I mention this as if your riding them in the rain, you may want to drop a little oil in there every now and again...certainly before laying up for  a while.

Removing the teflon does make them very loose, but not jiggelly. The teflon made them so stiff they wouldnt return to centre. You can buy non lined sphericals, but economies of scale make the teflon lined ones cheaper here.
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WiZzY



Joined: 27 Feb 2009
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Location: The Netherlands

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't wait to try them out. The new board is ready and waiting.
One question though: is there a need for further adjusting the angles or is it best to try them out just the way they are build?
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pavedwave



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far the 60-degree front has been working well enough that I haven't felt the need to wedge it any more or less, although for the sake of testing I plan to play with angles later.    The rear I've dewedged just a touch and I like it.   But "out of the box" they work great - my initial focus was just to see how well they worked without any tinkering.

Note the front does feel quite different from the Bennett -- it's more of a precise, tic-tac feel, and it will take some adjusting if you haven't spent much time on 'randal-like' trucks before.


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