pavedwave longboarding

scooterdad · Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:32 am Post subject:

Barry,

Did you ever try (or has anyone tried) fitting a Paris kingpin ? I ask because it looks knurled like the Bennett kingpin, which could make it fit better (or worse) depending on whether there is a standard knurled pattern.
http://thelongboardstore.com/hardware/kingpins/kingpin-25-bolts-1/

James, my guess is that you are less dependent on ideally tuned gear, but can rely on strength of technique, rhythm and endurance than a noob like me Smile

I need all the equipment help I can can.

pavedwave · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 1120 Location: seattle wa usa

keeping it ideally tuned is definitely not my strength, but i have been getting pickier about which setups work and which don't. the motto of 'anything can be pumped' holds true, but when it comes to the big commutes, if it ain't working well as a pumper, I'll just switch to pushing. part of that is just self-preservation Wink

what confuses me to this day is why my bushing in the center of the barrel, doesn't shred in the middle, it's smooth as a baby's butt. but I think the "secret" is that my bottom orange cone has been literally flattened out like a big fat pancake, with a diameter larger that provides a kind of "seat" for the white khiro barrel, and maybe it just floats around the kingpin enough that it doesn't rub and shred it?? it took maybe a month or so for it to deform into that shape, but it works really nice now. here's a shot I took at work on my cel phone

in any case I think it is smart to get it dialed right the first time out of the box. what I like most with Barry's shots is that shaved down barrel + bottom cone combination. so far, I like that combo more than the 2-cone hourglass combination, in terms of rebound.

oh, and as for the knurls -- I could be wrong, but my theory is that the knurls are what contribute to how the kingpins break on the stock bennetts, the fact that they have those "grooves" near the head of the pin leads to a weak point. I've only seen pins break right where the very first threading starts, OR (in the case of bennetts) right at the head where those knurls start.

jat. · Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:29 am Post subject:

Barry · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:25 pm Post subject:

How Do All Wink

I have not tried a Paris Kingpin, but looking at the thread it should do the job, but as for the knurled shaft that may make it harder to put in and take out if needed, wether the knurled pattern would have the same weakness that people have reported with the Bennett ones I don't know.

The randal pins are a perfect; snug fit, and the groves left in the base plate by the Bennett pin are a great key for the 243 thread locker.

James; the only reason I can think of for the middle of the barrel bushing still looking like new is that when you compress the bushings with the kingpin nut that a small void is created around the kingpin, when turning the barrel may not make a great deal of contact with the threads if any where as the top cone bushing may have more levereage against it from the kingpin causing it to be chewed and not the barrel. then again what I just typed could be a pile of crap Very Happy

one thing I do know is that the round bite marks in the top of the barrel are caused by the sharp edge of the hangers bushing cup opening, rounding off and polishing the bushing cups pretty much eliminates this damage.

jat; I am glad you like my instructions and I hope you have many miles of joy from your bushings Wink

Takle care,
Barry Wink

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scooterdad · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject:

Barry,

Well I went ahead and ordered the Randal pins. I am looking forward to performing truck surgery soon. Is it critical to get the Loctite 243 vs the 242? I'll look for it this weekend.

Barry · Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:51 am Post subject:

scooterdad · Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject:

Barry thanks for the adhesive advice.

Well, my package arrived from thelongboardstore.com today. I was home at lunch and was excited to try Barry's kingpin replacement idea, but there was an irregular tear in the manilla padded envelope on the side and all that was left inside was a little sticker and and cut open small plastic bag. Alas, no kingpins. No idea why anyone affiliated with the USPS would want to steal my kingpins. Perhaps it went to neighbor's house who opened it first then decided to deliver it empty?

It was weird to say the least. It was only $5, but I am a little hesitant to order from the same place again with the same mail carrier. Definitely odd ... sort of like insult to toe injury.

scooterdad · Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject:

Well, good news update! No it isnt that my kids actually tore into the package. I heard back from thelongboardstore.com, and they are sending out replacements!

Belegnole · Joined: 23 Jul 2008 Posts: 86 Location: Appleton, Wisconsin

All in all we deal with some pretty good retailers in this sport...Glad to hear your going to get replacements.
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scooterdad · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:51 am Post subject:

Barry,

Thanks to your detailed instructions, I completed the Barry- Bennett with Randal II kingpin mod this morning. I may indeed by a fool and perhaps almost too dumb to skate as it was touch and go trying to get the old Bennett kingpin out with a hammer then later attempting to cut the new kingpin down slightly (all I had was a wood miter saw that I now might need to replace). I also found it a little challenging to hammer the new kingpin into place and seat it deep enough into the baseplate given all the odd angles of the baseplate making it difficult to secure.

I will say in my defense that I have a weak set-up of tools at home.

Somehow I got it all back together and I look forward to many miles of shred-free-bushing skating.

My best,
Landy