My bustin boards LDP quiver

LD skater since 1971 · My bustin boards LDP quiver

Here some photo of my Bustin boards quiver.
I picked up a Polaroid 3.5 mega pixel digital camera and photo
printer set on close out at circuit city for $28.97 so now I can
take photos and videos.

The first one is a Bustin boards complex I cut down to 34" to
get rid of the to much flex it had at 41 inches and the long tail.
It pump great even with my Seismic 155mm truck.
I have some 130mm seismic truck coming in tomorrow with both 45 degree baseplate it will pump great then.
I am also testing out theory Jim Korten taught me the less wheel you have in contact with road the faster you will go. The wheels needs to be just grippy so you can pump fast.We use to run 30mm wide Krptonics roller skate rental wheels on the back of our slalom boards. Because all our slalom races in CASL were on flat ground you did not need to throw all that extra weigh around. So I have some sector 9 70mm 78a racing formulas on. I am also tried of chunking up my abec 11 zig zags after 1 week of use.

The next board is my Bustin Spliff with seismic 105mm 45 degree base plates
and cut down blue 3DM avalons that I bought from Jack Smith when he owned Bahne and 3DM. Great wheel. You just need a lathe to mod them.
Don't try a circular sander like did on my chucked up abec11 70mm It is so out balance now it vibrates.

The reason I like the busitin line up is you have a drop nose so it low and easy to push and cambered so it will pump great. Plus the decks are made in the USA and don't have the run of the mill graphics.
I bought both boards at 360skates they are the limited edition models and lot cheaper than designing your own board at bustin boards. The shipping is very reasonable also.

http://www.360skate.com/cat_bustin_boards.cfm

Bullwings · Seismics

Awesome quiver.

How do they compare to the Bennetts? I was using some 30 degree stable turn Seismics for my rear truck, but had problems with my board veering off to the side. I had to adjust the springs at uneven stiffness settings to make it go straight. That, and the red springs are way to stiff for that setup.

I switched to the tracker RTS and things were much better.

I'd like to give the seismics a try again and order some new springs and switch out my front truck with the 45 degree quick turn and get the lightest springs available for that too.

I'm just wondering what your impression is of the Seismics vs. Bennetts - assuming you've used the Bennets.

LD skater since 1971

The seismic 45 degree plate works great it turn fast and does not have that weird rebound turn like the 30 degree plates does.
I am using extra light yellow springs on the rear and the bone max lights on the front truck. I weigh between 190 lb. and 185lbs , for the first time ever I did get a little speed wobble down a steep hill but I am use to riding loose truck so I was able to control the wobble on mondays ride.

I also just got my 130 mm seismic in today I am using yellow on the back and bright green super light on the front it works out great.
Little bit more stable for skoging and pumping.
Also since the sector 9 racing wheels are center set they are the same width as my 105 mm trucks with the avalons off set wheels.

The sector 9's seem like they pump jsut as well with less rooling resistance on a quick 2 mile run tonight, It hard for me to belive but including sundays, mondays,tuesdays ride and tonights 2 miler I am up to 50 miles this week. I was going to go for my 13 mile ride yesterday but i was pretty sore from Sunday monday tuesday.

I tried the sector 9's wheels on the 105s they do not fit and rub on the truck because their center set wheels.

I have tried the new Bennett's trucks at Muir skate shop, first thing when I stepped on them.
I thought to my self they change the turning geometry of the truck from the original Bennett's of the 1970's. The first dead give a way is the Bennett logo is angled out compared to being flat in 1970's.
I did not like the turn it is to fast and unstable on the new Bennett's.

Plus I like using only one 1/4 inch urethane rise verse using rad pads or angled riser to get the effect you want out of your trucks. The bustin board give you that angle you want built in to the board.

I have the tracker race traks and they do okay but after riding seismic they feel dead to me. Just like my Fury trucks they have a very sharp indy, thunder truck turning geometry. My favorite Cutter trucks also feel kind of dead. I don't think I can go back to a standard bushing truck again for riding flatland LDP or carving on streets.
I think if start to ride bowls again I would still prefer a standard bushing truck.

jdnorthrup

After much obsessive research, I ended up inspired by Terry's Bustin setups and got a Spliff.

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31", 23.5" wheelbase, 9" wide. Seismic trucks -- 130mm quick / stable turn pair. Bone max light spring front, Green light spring on rear. Set of 73mm 80a "Black Ops" Speed Vents. Biltin bearings. 1/4" 80a Khiro soft pads front and rear.

The report after a week: I love it. I was looking for a short-mid-range pumping setup (my commute to work is ony 1.5 miles each way, and I spend a fair bit of time getting on and off mass transit to visit other parts of the metro area I live in). It nails this.

It's small, light, just flexy enough, great for carves, and having a wedged nose is fantastic. I tried various combinations of wedge / dewedge setups front and rear, and I found the nose's built-in wedge works really well with the 45 degree Seismic front. The Spliff's nose wedge is 12 degrees, by the way. I couldn't find that important tidbit of info ANYWHERE!! Had to get out the wedge kit and a level to find out once I got my deck.

I'm digging the Seismics -- they are very stable, great for carving mild hills, and do seem to respond very linearly all the way down in a turn. So the small tic-tac, wiggle the nose pumps don't work quite as well as a bushing truck like my Gullwing Chargers, but the tradeoff is stability, predictability, and tighter turning radius because the deep turns are easier to get with the Seismic.

With a urethane bushing truck, just a tiny bit of force can tip the deck over into a turn, and then progressively much more force is required to "cram" the bushing down into a tight turn.

On the Seismics, I find that a little bit or force results in a small turn, a medium in a medium turn, and a lot in a large turn. The difference is this control seems very evenly distributed across the amount of pressure you put into turning the board.

It's hard to really explain, and this is just really formalizing the feel I got from riding both setups and contrasting them.

So as far as the ride goes, the Spliff's nose dips due to the wedging, which cradles my front foot kind of a nice way. It actually encourages me to use both legs a bit more evenly when pumping -- on a flat deck I favor the front leg to the point that I often have that knee start hurting a bit. On the Spliff, I don't feel like I'm less stable with my front foot dipped down a bit -- it's just kind of "locked in" and balls-forward. Feels very even because then you can still lead with the front, but the rear of the deck is nice and high under your rear foot for powering through and completing the pumps.

One other really nice aspect of this deck is the fact that it isn't just 9" wide in the dead middle -- it really gets fat quickly and stays wide from the front to pretty far back. So although this board is 5" shorter than a Loaded Pintail, I get about 4-5" more usable deck length. Which is good for pumping, especially if you have clodhopper feet.

The Seismics wheels are so fast and soft and lovely I could cry, but I won't. Did I mention that I love them?

What this setup isn't killer for is those fast (15mph?) s-curve pumps where you keep wondering how much faster you can push the deck because things just keep speeding up. The 46" pintail I learned on excels at this. The Spliff could probably keep up, but I can't really move my legs that quickly without fearing I'd accidentally forget and try to do two "left" pumps in a row and go flying off the board. Smile

One of the nice things about the smaller board is I can get up to speed very quickly, and even take on steeper / rougher hills than I otherwise would. The price is, on a small deck you can put in a tremendous amount of effort and actually make hard pumping situations work. On a large deck, no matter how much I tried there are certain low-speed, uphill situations that would just never work out.

So all in all, this setup rocks for fun, fast, agile pump sessions around town, esp. if you want to take it on a bus/train/whatever. I'll probably use this as my primary work commuter board. It does carve really nicely, not sure what the formula is. Bustin seems pretty dialed for DH and urban carving though. That said, it's partially be the Seismic trucks -- I've never run them before this setup so it's hard to know how much they contribute to the nice "carvey" feel. By carve I mean that going downhill, I can control how much speed I bleed off by doing really digging turns across/against the slope -- like carving a snowboard or skis.

OK, signing off. Thanks Terry for inspiration on the Spliff -- I thought it would be too short / narrow for somebody who's 6'5" and 180 lbs, but it's just right. Having the deck low to the ground due to the wedged nose, and the subsequent lack of bolted-on angled risers helps.

-jd