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Parson Adams · Joined: 02 Jun 2008 Posts: 93 Location: San Antonio

Any one try one or two of them yet? I'm thinking of picking up one for a front truck when my Galac gets in. I have a crazy notion that this will help me out with carving on hills in my neighborhood that LDPing just won't cut the mustard on. I think it will also help with me not getting thrown like a sack of potatoes when I come across a rock larger than a 1/2 in in diameter. Any one else ride reverse kingpin trucks? Any help would be great.

Jim

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LD skater since 1971 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject:

It looks like they took a 125mm hanger cut it down to 106 mm and it comes with spacer so you customize the width.
I thought Randals were cast with the axle in them so they must have milled off the excess hanger.
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Barry · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:19 am Post subject:

How Do All Wink

I have a Skandal Rear on my Slalom deck, it is a 125 hanger that is shortened to 100mm using a milling cutter with a hollow center that slides over the axle. and is on a 35 degree baseplate, yes there are 2 spacers and speed rings on each side of the hanger.

This makes a very stable rear truck and I am running it flat without any wedging as advised by Richy @ sk8kings this I was supprised about as you would think it would be very turny from the angle of the kingpin as on the Tracker rts the king pin I have almost vertical on my LDP with 11 degrees De-wedge though I am not sure if the Skandal being a reverse kingpin design means it does not need the same angles as a bennett / tracker,
I have not tried the front skandal which has a 42 degree base plate as I am happy with my Bennetts and Skennetts

one note of caution that may not apply to LDP is that using a Skandal you may need to mount it 1/2" to 5/8" further back as it shortens the wheel base by about an inch or so compared to a Tracker placed in the same drillings.

I hope this helps?

Take care,
Barry Wink

pavedwave · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 1120 Location: seattle wa usa

I think the idea of being more comfortable carving hills on the Randal-ish truck is tied to the fact this will inherently feel more stable at speed. This is the first year I rode my Bennett front all the way to Portland, and one of the main trepidations were that there were several steep downhills along the way. The previous two years I rode those hills was with a Splitfire on front -- because the Splitfire is also a reverse kingpin architecture. Which meant it was not only more stable in the 30-40mph range, but also had an extra 1/2" of clearance, addressing the "getting tossed by a rock" issue you mention.

I wouldn't outright say this kind of truck is a compromise for LDP, but I do think this kind of truck matches better with a board that has more responsive flex, and may take a little time adjusting your pumping technique after you've been riding Bennetts for a long while. The Galac is on the stiffer end of the flex equation, so I'm not confident about the pairing of the two-- but then again, I never write off a setup that might work for someone else's style.

The Bennett has an instantly deep turn, while the Skandal-Randal-Split type truck is a wee bit slower on the initiation, then progressively turns. I still ride the reverse kingpin front on my slalom boards, which is a much shorter, faster downhill course usually. At the same time, I've learned how to feel more comfortable riding the Bennetts at higher speeds, by always maintaining an edge. As for clearance, I still hit rocks and high points on the road with Bennetts, but haven't been thrown off for a long time, I think that has more to do with weighting my center farther back on the board, so when something does "connect" it just makes a loud pop and continues over it.

RiPPer · Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 53

I've got a Skandal / Skennett combo coming from sk8kings. Hoping to get randal stability from the rear with bennett turning up front. Has anyone tried this combo yet? I'll report my findings after they arrive and I get a chance to try them.

Shaine · Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 33 Location: TriCities, WA

I'm just bumping this thread for anyone that has any know on the Skandal or Randal 125 as a stable rear truck (LDP). Ive read a post saying run it flat and there's good traction. Its either this or Seismic rear for me so I'd like to eliminate or add it to the equation before my purchases. I've read about as many posts on multipleforums as could find on this, there's a little here as well: http://pavedwave.myfastforum.org/viewcardtopic.php?p=4368
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randelpink03 · Joined: 20 Mar 2009 Posts: 24

I have a Skandal Skennet combo, both from sk8kings, I am going to be listing for sale. PM me if you are interested.

LDPanda · Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 418 Location: Seattle, WA

Kind of an aside but what id like to see is a randal DH160 hangar cut down to about 120mm and the axles re-threaded and put on a 28* plate. I prefer the neutral caster angle and deeper bushing seats of the DH hangar as well as the visual styling. I would run it around 23-25 degrees like i run my splitfire on my slalom setup. If any of you handy-with-tools people are interested in this project let me know!

WiZzY · Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Location: The Netherlands

@LDPanda: good idea. Now I know what to do with my DH hangers. I got myself a hollow core drill for 26 euro's (buy a drill, adjust 1 truck and you have your money's worth). So I'll try it out and show the results.

stocago · Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 227

I haven't tried the Skandal, but after using both the DH 160 and then trying a 125 hanger, I can say that the DH hanger is much more suited for LDP than the 125. Whether the 125 hanger is flipped or not, the bushing seats of the 160 really seem to take out some of the turning and this helps to move you forward and add stability. When making comparisons, I realize that the 160 hanger is wider, but I've tried to compensate by flipping offset wheels to narrow the track. I'll have to try a regular 150 hanger sometime to make a better comparison. Perhaps the Paris hanger would be better. So anyway, I think a cut-down DH 160, rethreaded would be a good idea. I'd probably prefer a 130mm width. You could run some spacers for a wider track, if desired.

However, the 125 hanger is a blast to ride, rather turny and easier to climb hills.